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Fri Jul 26, 2013, 5:56 PM



Usually I am pretty quiet when it comes to the community and its dealings with drama . But I feel like I have to write my two cents about this topic.

A lot of people have been throwing around this post around about how art schools are terrible and are not worth it ya. I am sure you can find the article somewhere if you just google it . Though everyone is entitled to their own opinion I feel that I should talk about both sides of the coin when it comes to art school.

Now I have went to art school , and have done well for myself , I have worked internationally and worked for some big companies , and currently at the moment I actually teach at an art school as well. 



What I believe is that art school is an Investment , nothing is guaranteed about art school , just because you go to the best art school in the world , that doesn't guarantee you will be successful . However , not going to school and buying dvds , watching youtube videos , doesn't guarantee you will be successful either. Both are very circumstantial . Now one is definitely a lot less expensive than the other . But I believe value is what you make of it.

I feel like most of the people that complain about art school are the ones who didn't work hard and expecting everything to be handed to them , then they graduate , cant find a job , and blame the school for all of their shortcomings. It's funny to me because I bet those people didn't do 1 thing to try to improve their school either. But are quick to complain. When I was school if we didn't have the classes or things we needed we raised hell, and the school changed to our needs . I believe school is what you make of it . Because I have seen people go to really crappy schools and become really successful , and I have seen people go to really good schools and do nothing with their lives. 

Now granted the school I went to was really expensive , was it worth it? I can't really say , would I do it all over again? Can't say either . Were there some things that happened to me while in art school that changed my life forever? DEFINITELY . Here are a few of those things

1. When I was in art school I majored in game art design. I had no idea what I wanted to do ( mostly because I was young and immature, I was a young black kid who wanted to party , dance , chase girls , and draw on the side) but I knew i wanted to do art in games . Schooled showed me animation , programming , modeling, scripting , painting everything. Art school showed me all the possible avenues in games . BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IT SHOWED ME WHAT I DIDN'T WANT TO DO . So after my first year I realized that I didn't want to be a animator or a modeler , I wanted to be a concept artist because it was fun for me. I also sat in a lot of classes in my spare time grabbing small pieces of knowledge here and there.

2. I met some extremely important people who were very pivotal in my life . How I got into concept art was because I walked into a computer lab and I saw edgar cardona aka :iconreallygay: painting on a wacom (something that I have never seen before)  when I saw that I was amazed and also hooked , Before you knew it I was following him around and we began to explore and paint together in computer labs everyday . Meeting Edgar led meet one of my best friends Anthony Jones aka :iconrobotpencil: . We began to draw and paint together everyday at school , created a sketch group , concept club , and met many other like minded people who loved art like we did. I got AJ his first job and he helped me get my job in Madrid and also my job at ILM . But also they were my best friends , who helped me through extremely difficult times in my life as I did for them. 

My point is I can't guarantee that I would have met these two people if it weren't for school . I also can't guarantee that we would have had a facility such as school where we could all meet up and hang out and use all the schools equipment. So was it worth the 70k ? Not sure . BUT I DO KNOW THAT I WOULD NOT BE WEHRE I AM TODAY IF IT WAS NOT FOR THEM.

3. I learned to grow up and work with others . Before art school I was a jock . I played a lot of sports hung out with the tough guys partied a lot all that stuff. I actually wanted to be a pro soccer player at one point. I went straight from high-school to art college and my personality was a little too outgoing when I entered art school. I expected everyone to be my best friend right away , joke with me and tell me all about themselves. Why ? because my previous class mates were like me , young , loud , athletic , obnoxious , arrogant , nothing held back. So with my high school friends we would joke around a lot, hit he each other , talk crap on each other , curse a lot , but it was all in good fun . Yeah we butted heads a lot but these are friends that I would trust with my life if push came to shove ( I still feel this way) . Now when I brought that personality into art school , needless to say in a room full of introverts , most people hated me immediately . I treated art like my sports , competitive , talk trash , haha but all good fun. Of course it didn't come off like that . And finally some people let me know. Of course I thought people were being too sensitive right? Well regardless of whether I was right or wrong ( probably wrong haha) I had to learn to respect others , and always realize some people may not be that comfortable to joke around with me in that sort of way. So I learned that my personality and image is very important in how others perceive me. So I learned to mature a little and be more professional in the beginning until me and that artist are more comfortable with eachother. Something I don't I think I could have learned from chilling at home drawing and only hanging out with my hs friends. Till this day I try to keep my hs friends and art friends separate only because I know those worlds don't mix that well. So I learned that not everyone needs to meet "party" kalen . And when I changed my attitude a lot of doors opened up for me

4. I also met a few instructors that changed my life . One of them being Mike Tracy. Now was this one lesson that he taught me worth 1200$ I paid for the class? Again I can't say . But I can say it was pivotal , and I am not sure I would have hit this lesson by myself.

He took my hw one day and put it on the projector and asked a student to give me a grade , the student said B ( he was being nice too) . Mr Tracy then took my picture and put it beside a Craig Mullins painting . He asked the student again to give me a grade and he said F . Standing in front of a class of 20 I felt so embarrassed and realized that if I wanted to be successful I would have to be as good as people who have been doing it for 25 years.

5. What I also learned from school is that no one is going to cry for me and sulk for my short comings . Now what people don't know about me is that among the group of my art friends when I was in school . I WAS THE WORST ONE . Not very many people took me seriously , in fact many people thought I was a fan boy following around the good artists. A lot of people thought I didn't belong even though they were my friends.

One day an employer came to school and wanted to look at student work . Naturally the employer loved all of my friends work , and didn't give me the time of day . I CAN SAY FIRST HAND THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST FEELINGS IN WORLD . to feel like you don't belong . Being a minority I have always felt like an outsider and to have this feeling in my art was unbearable. To add insult to injury our Academic director arranged a tour at a big studio for some of the concept art students , there they would meet a famous art director and get critiqued. I asked pleaded that I be allowed to go with my friends , but she said my work wasn't good enough. I felt left out and alone. They were my friends , but when it came to art it was like we were on a different planet. I was angry , mad , sad you name it.

But why were they so much better than me? They had the same resources I did , same classes , but yet they were so much better.  Granted I had to keep a full time job while working and I didn't have as much money. But I realized NO CARES WHAT YOU HAVE FOR EXCUSES , IF THEY ARE BETTER THEY ARE BETTER. AND IF I WANTED TO BE TAKING SERIOUSLY I WOULD HAVE TO WORK TWICE AS HARD TO CATCH UP. 

eventually I caught up. ( though I am still catching up to those guys everyday , and thank god they are my friends so they gave me great advice)

but without school , I am not sure I would have learned that lesson either.

Also its important to remember that america has a lot more opportunities in this business than other places. For example my friend Frank who I went to school with was from taiwan. and was going to school here. Now I know for a fact if he had not gone to school here , he would not be at naughty dog. the people and things he experienced here definitely influenced him for the better.

So though it is a much cheaper route to just buy dvd's and books , watch youtube etc etc . I am quite confident I would have missed out on all of those experiences that have influenced my life in a positive manner.

I think school has a recipe to put like minded people together and things happen , I cant always say this will happen at every school  , but it did for me.

And now that I teach , I hope I can be that person for 1 student out of 20 that makes their 70k tuition worth while as well. So if you are in school and you feel like you are getting what you want , then talk to the directors , start a group , complain and raise hell . And if it doesn't work then simply leave.

So my conclusion is to simply do your research about school and know there are many different routes to being an artist , school is just one of em , and just because someone takes it , it doesn't mean they are dumb , nor does it mean that someone who doesn't is so much better and smarter. Anything in this life is what you make of it.

Because I guarantee if you work your ass off it doesn't matter what route you will take , you will be successful

keep pushing forward



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Matoki Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2014
Have you ever thought of doing an improvement meme? I don't know if you already have though XD…
k04sk Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I think did one but I was only 3 years into it , I can probably do it again though . Here is the one I did awhile back…
Matoki Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2014
It's great! I'd love it if you did another though =)
k04sk Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
ill try to do one in the next week or so for you!
Matoki Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2014
swinages Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2013  Student
Hi. I go to an early college high school as a sophomore and I'd just like to thank you so much for writing this. For a very long time I wanted to go to art school and become some kind of successful artist. My parents have always been hard on me when it comes to school and accepted nothing less than A's. They stressed school, emphasizing that as a mix of three major minorities (black, asian, and hispanic) that the only way I could make it in world was by getting into a good college. After prodding and creating a detailed life plan of colleges I was considering and career options my parents finally accepted my dreams. With that, they told me that it meant I would have to work even harder and I did. I competed with 340 other students to get into the high school I'm attending. I was elated getting in, but I go to school with some pretty amazing people. I'm surrounded with future doctors, engineers, and probably a president or two. I often feel intimidated and lie about what I want to be as an adult. I've been lying so often that I started wondering if I really should consider a different career. I have to pick a major by the end of this year. I've been stressing out this past month and even got sent to a career counselor. He didn't really help me and in fact made me more worried. This was really encouraging. It just reminded me of what made excited about going to college in the first place which was to experience new things and meet new people while learning how to do the thing I love. I love art. Thank you!
k04sk Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Well it seems like you have some very unique opportunities ahead of you , just remember that art isn't going anywhere . Unfortunately it doesn't pay as some people would hope , ( unless you are really really really good ) so having a back up career isn't necessarily a bad thing . I know lots of people who love art but chose a more stable career , and then did art on the side for their own enjoyment . Or even switch careers later on . Again it's different for everyone . As much as I say follow your heart , it's also important to think everything through 

Unfortunately I was not as smart as you in high school , I was a jock who liked art , so for me if I didn't make it in art I was probably going to be screwed lol . You are surrounded by future successful . People , a lot of people don't have that opportunity. So just take your time with all of this and I'm sure the right decision will present itself 
RAVNXI Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Professional General Artist
Wonderful advice, thank you! I was a lot like you, in high school I was friends with two upperclassmen who were naturally very good at drawing, and though I loved drawing as a kid, I was the worst out of all my friends. So I worked hard on my weaknesses and never just drew what I was good at. Eventually I got to their level, and now (according to them) I've exceeded them by miles. Though I'm not a professional artist, nor do I plan to pursue art as anything more than a hobby, I could really relate to your story. It goes to show that hard work is paramount when it comes to being a successful artist. Thanks for sharing!
xLacie Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013  Student Filmographer
Thank you so much  for writing this journal. Right now I'm exactly choosing whether or not to go to an art uni and where and your journal really helped me out.
phizzle12 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
Thanks. This is very encouraging for me.
Edarneor Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Everybody keeps asking this question without realizing that it can never be answered. Ever.
*sigh* When will people learn to decide for themselves? :)
DrazziElder Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Student General Artist
All these are good points. But the thing is, no one should have to pay 70k plus for their education. It's a very important thing to have but it's easily something that is impossible to attain for most people without selling your left eye, your right leg and most of your soul. And that pisses me off. Sorry. Just ranting here.
k04sk Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
no one suggesting that the way schools in general are the best. You are right, colleges in general are over priced , Having lived in europe and seeing how their education is paid for. I think the U.S. needs to take the money of out these sort of things. If you are going to pay 70k plus for it then you better make that school worth your money . Where what I feel a lot of students don't . Whether that is there responsibility or not is kind of hard question haha , 

Only thing is if it was free then I would say there needs to be a higher bar for entrance into these sort of schools , because thats mean probably everyone would want to become an artist hahaha.
DrazziElder Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Student General Artist
I agree with having a higher bar for entrance in that case. I went to college, majored in literature and now I'm doing a master's in translation. My university is inexpensive compared to many others but even then I couldn't have attended without the aid I received. To think of people paying more than double what my tuition boggles the mind, really. Especially considering how terrible some universities are. Not everyone is cut out for college but people should at least get the chance to choose to go or not. In regards to art universities, I have to confess I've always wanted to have proper schooling in the basics of art. I even signed up to take classes at a studio once, it was a waste of time and money for the most part since I didn't learn anything new. I've improved more these past months while working on my own with free resources than there. But I also managed to find good people here in this site and in other art sites that have helped me and encouraged me. So creating an environment where you are surrounded by people with similar goals to you, all learning the same craft, helps immensely. Even if it is a virtual place and not a physical one like your experience was.
superhermit Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Good read
fisheypixels Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Student General Artist
Thanks dude. This means a lot, and helps me out a lot.

I've been debating art school. All arts in fact. It's always been a dream of mine to be a singer, concept artist, comic writer, comic artist, or just writer.
I love drawing and music and writing, but I can't draw very good at all, I can't sing or play instruments very good at all, but I do know I'm a decent writer.
I know I have so much room for improvement in all areas, though most are not my forte.

I know I want to take some sort of art class, but I've yet to decide which class.

Thanks again.
- Sam
Cetriya Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Professional General Artist
the person who made the other post has done well with his career and so does Oatley so the point of view isn't only from bitter people. 

Art school itself isn't bad. As an investment, I wouldn't do it if I could do it all again. Sure it teaches you lots of life lessons, but its lessons that you'd have to learn eventually to survive and not necessarily with a 40k per year price tag. 

As you've mention in your own post, you only got better by putting in the hours. If some one not knowing how to do anything go through art school, they may work as hard as they can, but they can not compete with someone who's been drawing just as intensely for many more years. I find most that are good in school are ones who where good before coming to school and now have 4 years to hone their skills. The rest either has to spend a few years after to school to make up or just fall by the wayside. 

Other then life lessons, connects are what art school are good for. However, in these past 2 years of school, less studios came for illustrators. less jobs are posted in the job forums. So one has to find their own means of finding work. Well, one could just do that without the dept. 

There's also the fact that even the best of schools still lack any business classes and as great as my school is, they can't control the industry/market to employ more interns or pay more in comparison to debt or to keep updating curriculum to meet with new trends. 

A side note, I found a lot of my teachers teach workshops outside of class and the school have short workshops. Its a lot cheaper and more focus. Why pay someone for me to experiment? I can do it on my own. 

Cetriya Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Professional General Artist
another note, this discussion comes up for other majors. So its not just art school. 
k04sk Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
i am fully aware of the person wrote that article , in fact I have always been a huge fan of his work while going to school. my thing is when a few successful artists who made it through art school and became successful write about school being a waste of time , I feel like its a bandwagon thing for all the students who were lazy and didn't work to jump on and hate it as well.

So by no means am I calling the successful ones bitter, (even I can be bitter about this subject) , they are definitely in the right to their own opinion. I just think there are a lot of people who did not work hard school and failed are quick to get behind the successful ones and talk about how schools ruined them. Not to say the successful ones are elitist or anything but I think such criticism of a university/art school/state should be reserved for the people that really tried to put the work in

I am just explaining the pros cons of school , if you are really self disciplined have a space you can dedicate your work to day in and day out . Then heck go for it. However, some don't learn that way.

Because I personally think there are only a few schools that really accept the best of the best and give them 4 years to hone their skills. I was not one of them , I was actually really really really bad at art. Many people told me to quit. But I kept with it . The same goes for a lot of my friends who were in school. Usually if you already that good , you'd probably go the self taught route by that time , again some people are different.

As for the market it is a shame , unfortunately schools can't really control that , having worked in one , it is a hard task to try to make everything universal when it comes to the standard. The fact of the matter is everyone wants to be an artist , so everyone goes to school for it and then the market becomes over saturated meaning less and less jobs, since now the self taught route is even more appealing there are even more artists trying to compete , so the ones that get jobs have to be really top tier. Not to mention the requirements of our jobs keep increasing. I definitely wouldn't depend on a school to find you work. But I can say a lot of work was given to me from school faculty.

as for business I couldn't agree more , my school had a few classes on it , but even that wasn't enough and I had to learn on my own , luckily I had some mentors give me some tips , but the business side constantly changes with the industry trends . Not sure how to fix this haha , but if anyone knows they should talk about it

again I am not saying either one is better or worse , Im just saying people should learn to see the pros and con's of these kinds of things before they choose . If you have teachers that do side workshops then heck yeah no need for school , but some people may not have that options. 

I think all of this is circumstantial so thats why I cant say self taught is 100% the way to go or say School is 100% the way to go. 

Thanks again for your reply btw I am glad people are speaking up about their experiences ( and sorry any typos lol )
Cetriya Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Professional General Artist
I figured that you would know, just wanted to add the comment for others to know that the original post and interview are from successful people. Sorry if that came out rude. 

I definitely know that my school is great and I've gained a lot of life experiences. I don't regret going yet at the same time I wouldn't do it again if I had the chance. I would at least do it differently. 

I feel what gets people the most isnt if art school is bad or good, but maybe not being clear about what to expect? Unless one talks to the students, alumni or read blogs like this, You wouldn't know that those 4 years aren't enough. You see from their mailers, such gorgeous artwork and many awards and though its not stated, the assumption for a young person is that all the credit goes to the school. You don't realise until a classmate or a teacher like yours with the example of the painting let you know that you have years to make up. Many that I see get jobs right after graduating or get internships are those who already had some years of practice before going to school. Not to say they are the best but that they're just ahead of you in study. 

You're more likely to learn about an art school then about alternatives. Its getting very expensive to attend higher ed schools, so its about the costs vs benefit. So yeah, I do think of it circumstantial but most of my classmates really shouldn't go to art school yet (because they don't know what to do, or what they want to do even if they're pretty good at art), at least not right after high school. I'm guessing that you as a teacher has felt the frustration of just not having enough time to teach a class. I as a student get frustrated that I just need more time learning something before I move on to the next project. 

lol, I think I'm ranting here and to you who has more years over me. So you know what I'm talking of. At the end of it all, I'd advise people not to get into crippling debt if they just can't afford it and that there's other avenues. After all, to make an investment one must have the money or means to invest. 

k04sk Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
haha not at all , anyone cant rant on this post , thats kind of the point . 

Having worked at schools I can kind of see a lot of the internal problems that happen with trying to run an accredited college , one of the biggest things is masters , its really hard to get a masters in our field because there isn't really a standard since things keep changing , and also usually the great ones don't have time to get a masters anyway , 

this limits most schools in usually hiring the best faculty possible , also teaching itself is an actual skill , ive seen people who though they may not be the best artist , are great teachers , and ive seen some famous artists who are amazing , do really bad at explaining their process. I am still currently learning this as well , teaching is definitely harder than it looks.

most faculty that I have been come across really do have the best interest for their students in mind , but i think when it goes up the coporate ladder , the students interest may at times fall short.

there definitely has been some unlawful recruitment when it comes to getting students to come to the school . Looking back I was definitely one of them , I realized how unprepared I was , it was a shock to the system. when I saw people so far ahead of me , I just knew I had to catch up and did everything within my power to do so ( some students don't always realize this)

I always try to explain to my students how expensive school is and how they need to work hard because they have to pay that money back. Its actually why i request to have first year students so hopefully I can help prepare them , something I wish I would have gotten in my first year.

If anything I would want people to take from this , is just to spread the knowledge about entertainment art in general , and that path to success can be achieved in many different ways , just like art.

though art is very hard to be successful, i think it's one of the most fair industries we can work in . Most great places do not care about sex , religion , ethnicity , all they care about is your work and if you do it well , usually you will find good opportunities ;)
legrosclown Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you Kalen. I've been reading alot about this and I do agree with you. That's what people has been forgetting all this time.
SometimesCats Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you very much.
I'm going to be starting school to get my AA and then transfer to a better college for art. 
I've always been a little hesitant to try and make art a career because I'm really not very good at it, not like everybody else here.
But I wanted to try to be a concept artist for video games and such. I'm just so nervous about it because everybody is so much better.
It's very discouraging. 
I suppose I just need to work a lot harder to get to a place were I feel comfortable with how my art looks and confident in my choice to go  into this field! 
NitelyHallow Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
no way, pro soccer player was my whole life's dream, still gives me that sickening feeling that I never followed that dream, rather that I didn't want it enough. I think this  journal over all was extremely enlightening. I've come to recently realize that when you have a strong passion in art, the work load itself is not that bad. In general, I believe many of those complaints come from impatient wanna-be's, they focus too much on what they want to achieve and less on how to improve their skills. It's nice to have dreams, but stay in reality and focus on improving your skills step by step.  " shut up, and learn what you can lol" is what I've been told and I'm not even in art school  I rather grind away at my art skills rather than gaming any day, its much more challenging ;).  
ChocolateSun Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013
Thank you so much for sharing this journal. What an informative and interesting read. :)
FraserM9477 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013
Thank you for sharing your experience!! Personally I'm considering what to do at the moment as well, I have the option to go to University and study History of Art (On account of my lack of practical skill) but I've always wanted to get involved in the concept art world. 

I have about 5 of your works up on my wall and some of them are from quite a while ago. By no stretch of the imagination were they ever sub-standard or a display of inferior skill. Your use of colour palettes and ambience has never ceased to amaze me ^^ You're easily my favourite concept artist on this site, and probably overall!
IgnisFerroque Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013   Digital Artist
Great post. I guess many just have wrong expectations, but art schools being nonsense, thats just not true. Of course everyone can learn stuff at home, especially nowadays with all the internet sources, but it takes -much- longer and the whole environment isn't nearly as inspiring as hanging around with likeminded people every day... at least i guess. 
Looking back at my progression i see a lot of little things that i just didn't know or read about and basically found out by myself... thats kinda fun and interesting for someone who just does it as a hobby, but its a lot of time wasted for people who actually want to make a living with art.
What i dislike about art schools (at least here in germany) is that they seem to have a very elitist approach, my brother tried to apply to one and he basically needed a great portfolio and one year of internship before sending in his application, its a bit ridiculous in my opinion.
KacsaET Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
although I never even dreamed of going to art school I always wished I could... here in the middle of Europe you only get in if you either 1) know people or 2) are so icredibly talented and good and awesome that every pencil stroke makes everyone around you go "WOW holy shit"...
I always liked to draw, and recently it has been pointed out to me again that I could make money of it... flying through your long text... hm. makes me believe that I somehow could :) more and more practice, some investment (to draw digitally for example) and not giving up.
ThornedVenom Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Excellent read Kalen. Just for the record, to me you were always a badass at painting and I never felt that you didn't belong with your group of friends. You guys were a team.
k04sk Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Haha this was before you were you were attending by the time you arrived I at least appeared to have my shit together lmao , but in the beginning it wasn't pretty 
Anmaril Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks for sharing, I definitly agree with you. There is no pure bad or good, it is about how you use it and who you are, and especially how you deal with the problems you might encounter on the way.
Orsus Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013
Hey Kalen, thanks for this journal.

Really informative and yeah.. I felt with you. So many situations, feelings and experience.. gee!
OMEGA-CROSSFire Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Student Digital Artist
well yeah... im doing game-art school. i am the guy who's stubborn, follows his own path regarding art and styles and disregarding the other students who think im a bit crazy (yes seriously)
tho i am but an above-average student, who needed to fight to get to the 3rd year, i have extreme difficulty finding an internship. my concept art is between "good" and "average" and most companies won't even try to hire me, since we have mostly smartphone gamecompanies (the candy crush style) and we have... guerilla (killzone) and triumph (overlord), which is WAY out my league.
so yeah, game art/art school is nice, but i really needed books and youtube tutorials to improve myself. it still is a struggle, but i'll get there. i'm not going to stop what i love and what i'm doing for the last 5 years. that would be crazy right?
daxy5 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I went to highh school: School of applied art and design and without it i wouldn't be able to go to academy of fine arts. I am there now. Finished first year. I think that diploma will help a lot and you learn much there. Go for it if you have a chance
ihuaj Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Student Filmographer
I have a friend who is doing exactly what you did, he was always that guy who wanted to be good but always got discouraged to easily. Although I wasn't the kind of person to push him away I always did help him no matter the case. So with this little tid bid helps me help him figure what he needs to do to become better. Also how people say art school is bad it's really not bad, the reason you go to art school is for the experiences and meeting people that you wouldn't get to meet if you just bought dvds and watched youtube, you need to network and meet people so that when you get the chance they are there to help give you opportunities. 
Asparticus Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Professional Filmographer
art school is bullshit and a waste of a lot of money. all the stuff they teach you you can learn on the website, you just need to discipline yourself. i mean all they give you is a degree really but if that's what you want go ahead. 
lilypsiren Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Art school is like a language school. Doing art is like learning a language. You can totally learn how to draw or how to speak a language without going to school, thanks to the internet. You can find lots of resources and learn from other people's experience. But in a school you can always learn something you can't learn at home, because schools are full of people who share similar dreams and it helps to know you are not alone struggling to perfect your skills, also there' are a lot of sparks between talks and activities and all these you can't easily get at home. Some people have complaints about schools probably because they think money can buy or should buy the artistic power and the more they pay the more should be gauranteed. But the truth is , school is for guidance and it only facilitates.  If you are slouch at your work nothing can help you.
I compare art school to language school because English is my foreign language and I think gaining art skills and gaining language competence have a lot in common. I'm shy and earlier I took some spoken English classes to overcome my nerve when speaking to other people in English. I felt stupid because I was practically paying people to talk to me. But that helped me pass the interview for a grad shcool I applied. If you're capable and willing school may not be much help to you, but there are people who can use some push and encouragement which they can hardly get at home. Schools offer possibilities.
But there are some schools which care more about making money than how much progress students are making. But teachers are not like the ones worrying about money. Teachers seldom hold back, or they are not worth their titles. I've enjoyed your posts and tutorials for a long time and I'm sure you are one excellent teacher!
It's true that there are lots of self-taught great artists. It all boils down to one thing: whether you work hard yourself.  So schools are not bad but they can't work wonders for you. I agree with what you said.
sharinggansamuel Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You guys should read this.

Might change your mind about art school.

Whether you wanna go or not.…
phinnist Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Student General Artist
I agree with most of what k04sk's written here, good stuff! Just want to say though - I'm betting most of the people who are writing against art schools live in the U.S. Art schools are much less expensive in other parts of the world, just sayin'. And also: it depends on what kind of art you want to study. I get the overwhelming impression here that most people on dA are aiming towards illustration, animation etc - skill-based courses, especially art school as criticised in the above link. I study contemporary fine art. I went to art school to get connections, opportunities and studio space. Art is broad; I think most people only view it from a very narrow spectrum. But in the end, it's like you said: art school is what you make of it. If you persevere with your goals in mind, you'll make it far. If you expect things to be handed to you on a golden platter, you'll fail in art school and in life.
sharinggansamuel Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You should check out that link.  This person has a successful career and went to art school.

Also, why are you commenting like I'm the one who posted the Journal?

But in the end, it's just like you said? o.o
phinnist Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Student General Artist
Yeah, I did check out the link. That's why I mentioned it.

And sorry - I figured your link was the most relevant to my comment, because there seems to be a glitch and I can't post straight onto the journal.
shigaburiga Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Student General Artist
I don't know why everyone makes such a big deal about the cost. Yes, the big name colleges, like RISD, Pratt, SVA, etc. are really expensive. But there are lots of state art schools/state schools with art programs. I myself am going to FIT, which is a division of SUNY, which means the tuition is dirt-cheap for NY residents. You just have to explore your options.
Cetriya Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Professional General Artist
besides NY and Cali, pretty much the rest of the US doesn't have much public schools with art programs. So unless you have family connections to move there, You still would have to pay out of state cost which is about the same as a private art school. 

shigaburiga Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Student General Artist
Point taken. The out-of-state cost is significantly lower than the average private art school's rates, though--for FIT, at least. Their non-resident rate is $6637.50 per semester.
NickTheilArt Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I totally agree, going to school is an investment and you will have a higher chance of it paying off if you put all your effort into the classes(and outside them). I am going into my 3rd year of a Game Development program and I have really enjoyed it; mainly because of my fellow classmates that I probably wouldn't have otherwise had the chance to meet.

However, this program is by no means an art program and I am looking for further studies in art. I have no real formal training(yet ;P). 

Thanks for this post. 
Aeollon Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013   General Artist
I could write a long drawn out speech expressing my point of view on this and how I feel about school knowing people who have gone and succeeded and failed.  I could express my own personal life experiences having not gone to school but to save time I just want to sum up my feelings as...Kalen...

You are my hero.  Forget being a great artist or someone of creative merit...I just hope that one day I can be a great person like you.  You're one of the few artists I've met that isn't just in art because you love it or you want to make money from it.  You want to push others to go and help inspire future generations.  That kind of mentoring is something you can't pay for.
allisonchinart Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Hey man, it's so great to hear your perspective on this. Thanks for sharing the lessons you've learned. :D
I mean, the price of art school can't be ignored, so I'm working hard to get the scholarships and high-quality portfolio I need ...and if that doesn't work out, then I'll try again next year, maybe doing some online stuff in between. But it seems like making connections and being around highly-motivated people can't be replaced. Thanks for the motivation!
OliviaPaige010 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Thanks so much for sharing this! I love the atmosphere in my school - where if I encounter someone who is much better than me, it makes me strive to catch up and become just as good. I'm constantly on the lookout for new inspirational sources, since I know I need to improve my technique a lot in order to make art a viable career choice. The only thing that worries me is the plethora of art students being released into the job market each year from all of the countries various art colleges. I go to scad (super expensive school that will forever put me in debt) but I wouldn't have traded the experience for the world. I just became a senior though, so I'm nervous as hell as to what trials await me once I graduate. I know it won't be easy and that I have to work my butt off before the end.

Regardless, thanks for the inspirational boost! :3
MrBlackCap Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Professional General Artist
Nicely illustrated...I pretty much feel the same way. I didn't quite have the same experience with my friends during (ouch) but the close friends I made in school have continued to be a part of my career! I wouldn't have gotten my first job without one of them and that means the world to me. Likewise I've been able to help other friends get jobs at studios where I worked. School can be amazing for making those connections that DVDs and internet resources are harder pressed to provide. Going to school can also help prep you for working in collaborative environments like game studios, etc. Both avenues of education have there merit and drawbacks. 

Any ways, great post. Thanks for taking the time to write it up. 
Shiranova Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

I really don't know what to study. A big part of me wants to study something I can get a good paid job because living in Switzerland is very expensive. But there's also that other part of me that want to study something I really enjoy aka art and become a graphic designer (or a concept artist but that is practically impossible here). But there are so many of them here and it surely is very difficult to get a (safe) job...

I really don't know what to do. I'm pretty sure that if I go to an art school I can learn a lot and improve and it would be also something that I would enjoy. But I'm so afraid not getting a job because we went trough tough times and I don't want to get in trouble...

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