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YOUR IDEAS HAVE VALUE!!

Fri May 31, 2013, 3:23 PM


I have to kind of make a post about this subject since it comes up a lot in discussions

Your art has worth! it does not need marketing or any kind of promotion . Even your ideas have value too. So companies and people trying to take advantage of such things is simply not right and we as artists need to change.

If you spend hours and hours honing your skills as an artist. Then people shouldn't assume that you are willing to give that away for free.

All the time I get a message for people asking for free work , or work that I won't get paid for now, but they will promote my website. I do not need help promoting myself. I can handle that quite well on my own. ( FUNNY PART IS I NEVER PROMOTED MY ART AT ALL I JUST DID IT AND I GOT BETTER AND MORE PEOPLE BEGAN TO LOOK AT IT MORE AND MORE, I DID ART AND PUT IT ON A WEBSITE , NOTHING MORE) People also do the kick-starter thing. They say we cannot pay but if your project gets funded we can pay you after.

LITERALLY all of these scenarios would never work in any other industry. You don't ask a hairstylist for a free haircut and say I will promote your work to my friends. Sounds silly of course. Do you ask a chef to come bbq at your house for a project and if its successful , you will pay him? smh

So what I am trying to say is if people are gonna ask you for work. THEY SHOULD PAY YOU , and pay you well. Until we as artists stop undercutting each-other . People will never take us seriously. Considering how much money clients gain to make off of our art (ie movies , games , logos , products , cars , architecture etc etc) which is literally millions. You as an artist shouldn't sell yourself short. Your skill is just as valuable as a doctor , chef , lawyer , etc. Not to mention I bet most of you guys spend more time on your career than those careers previously listed

so if you see websites or contests that want your free work like this one

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=…

be sure to vote it down and warn fellow artists. be careful of websites and contests what want your free work , and they may POSSIBLY choose yours and pay you for it. DO NOT WORK FOR FREE. That is all

cheers,

KEEP WORKING HARD AND PAINT ON :)

KALEN

ps. collaborating with friends and colleagues is fine , but if its some random dude you dont know , make em pay. Spread the love folks

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Ravens-Eye-Studio Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you for posting this. It is good advice and artists NEED to hear it. It can be so difficult to get noticed as an artist that sometimes people forget that their work AND their ideas are worth so much more than can be defined. I am one of those who sometimes forgets and reading this journal could not have come at a more appropriate time for me. I needed the reminder. 

Keep up the amazing work and congratulations on your DD! It is very well deserved. 
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Kxmode Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013
About a year ago I tried one of those crowdsourcing design sites for logos. I have YEARS of experience making logos and thought it would be a great way to make a little side income. My experience went something like this.

I read the brief and went to work. I spent about 6 hours hand-illustrating various logo concepts, scanning those I felt were good, then creating them in Illustrator. The "customer" did not pick any of them. They even did not send me a personal email thanking me for the time I spent making it. I got nothing for my time. A week later I tried another proposal and got the same results. After 14 hours of this I gave up.

I guess for those who likes this system and keeps feeding it works, but for the rest of us we should be paid for our talents and skills. We spent the hours learning and perfecting our craft.
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TheCelticPoet Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Thank you. I needed to hear that.
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Serenity279 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2013
wow, but of course the uploaders of that video disabled comments AND ratings.
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IgnisFerroque Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013   Digital Artist
:nod: Totally agree.
I really hate how they all come with the same cliched phrasings too... "...once it gets successful on iTunes/whatever..." "you'll get good exposition" "you'll have your name in the credits"... yay.

I dont mind to help out with a student or fan project or doing stuff for friends, if it interests me, but these people just want to earn money with free artwork, its despicable.
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KXZXW Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
Great journal entry! Us artists shouldn't sell ourselves short. Ever!
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mhazaru Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013
well said!
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Anmaril Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
/sign well said
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Xitrus Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Well said :)
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fishandspaghetti Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
Thank you for this post, I think you any many other artists agree on this. It's frustrating that many people see this type of thing and contract work as great "opportunities" that people should just be thankful to have in the first place--keep your head down and don't be entitled. It's difficult to explain that it's not unjust entitlement, but not wanting to be exploited. It's an employers market, and tough for the majority of people to catch a break or have decent earnings. The hardball-business and cut throat minded are often in positions of power and dictate these things to their advantage, with a the-strong-survive attitude. Sadly, this means that few "make it" compared to the number of those who strive for success, and it is easy to lose confidence and become despondent. There are negative views of unions under certain circumstances, but the need for protection exists. Sorry for the rant!
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WolfofEpicness Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
i agree, happy to see your concern for other artists :)
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LSDrake Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
I get those type of offers every now and then. Worst part is I get them mostly from my current boss who tries to pay me $4.50 - $9.00 for photo editing or illustrations to show how the products we produce are assembled (I work in a wood shop). When I defend myself and point out how I've been paid far more than that from friends, family and friends of family, he says they just do that to give me charity work. I wasn't aware that getting a few hundred dollars from a family member for doing an illustration for 25-30hrs of work was "charity" or even getting a couple hundred dollars for 5-10hrs of my time was also "charity". Granted those type of jobs are few and far in between it doesn't make my work any less valuable than what people are willing to pay.

It's funny though, we make custom items for customers and pending on size chosen the whole cost of materials, labor, overhead, etc. amount to $10-$25 and yet we sell these said items for 10's to hundred's of dollars. He has yet to accept someones offer of crafting one of the items for just the base cost of making it. So you would think someone like that would understand where I'm coming from when I give out my own quotes for certain skills he needs but doesn't have.

Even funnier when you get the ones telling you how long it's going to take you when you don't even entirely know yourself. And even if it would take you a short amount of time, so what? You worked hard on developing those skills to be that efficient!

I am by no means a professional artist or even close to it, but I'm starting to think more and more as I do art that having self-respect is a very necessary trait for an artist to possess and tend to overlook in developing, at least from my point of view. Although too much self-respect can turn into arrogance, but I digress.

On a final note and to tie up the little story, I no longer accept any offers my boss throws my way.

I apologize for the long post and I hope I'm not hi-jacking your journal as this subject just fires me up!
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Reganov Featured By Owner May 31, 2013   Digital Artist
WE WILL MAKE THEM PAY FOR THIS
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JNetRocks Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
Great post, I completely agree! :)
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BlakeZ Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Totally agree man!!. I got screwed earlier this year. Learnt my lesson though ;)
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Jing2487 Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
I voted that video down so hard, that it left a hole in the ground. But I'm not surprised something like that exists.
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NitelyHallow Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thanks for the input. missing your live streams : )
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